Marlborough Mesa

Response part 5

''In the perfect world where this stadium did not cost Mesa anything, and I doubt that, it will still cost us as Maricopa County residents.'' -- How is that? The money is being raised by a car rental and hotel room tax. It's never cost me a penny. It's primarily funded by tourists.

''The TSA should make the Cardinals pay the difference between the actual gate and the 48,000.'' -- Let's see. Using the average attendance, that would be a whopping 1,302. And if you can trust all those people who said they'd go to the games if there was a way out of the early season heat, the numbers will only go up.

''Maybe the Bidwell's would be forced to produce a better product.'' -- With a new stadium and new revenue streams they should have a better product. Like the Rams, Titans, Ravens, Buccaneers, etc - all teams with new stadiums which turned into playoff teams.

''While I am sure that there are some Cardinal fans in the East Valley, I do know two, they do not deserve this gift from the taxpayers of Maricopa County and Mesa.'' -- Most of the Cards fan base lives in the East Valley. Again - how exactly are the general taxpayers funding this thing? They're not, which is why 302 passed. And do not forget the $85 MILLION put up by the Cardinals.

Response part 6

''We were lied to in the last election. This is all shades of BOB. We were back-doored then and we are being back-doored again.'' -- Nope. Jerry Colangelo is the back-door man. Because of him, this deal was all up front. It had to be. No one was lied to. 302 passed, Mesa is a good location for the stadium, it costs Mesa nothing and will bring in a lot of money to the city. And for those that repeatedly say Mesa voted down a stadium. No we didn't. Mesa, at least those that bothered to vote, turned down the Rio Salado plan which would have been a huge burden on Mesa with all of the funding coming from new taxes in Mesa. It was a bad plan for our city, especially when Tempe backed out and left Mesa by itself.

Mesa is the 43rd largest US city. This stadium will bring nationwide exposure and a lot of money to our city. I'm all for it.

And, believe it or not, I hope it goes to a vote. The Council supports it, the Mormon Church (which is powereful come election time) supports it, many local business people, etc all support it. The seniors won't be out by the busload like they were for Rio Salado because this plan doesn't include a tax on them personally. Basically, one neighborhood and those sympathetic to the people who decided to live next to this large acreage of undeveloped land (NIMBY's) are against it. I'll take those odds.

Please, if you're going to get people to sign petitions, know your facts and stop spreading bad info.

Thanks for the time.

Petition

This is a great country that allows all of us to have our opinions.

If the supporters are so sure this is such a great deal for Mesa why are they so against putting it back on the ballot?

That is all we are attempting to do right now.

Petition Shmetition

I could care less. If you read all my posts, you'll see that I hope it goes to a vote. I think it will pass a vote without a hitch. There is no financial burden on Mesa for this stadium. Just national exposure and new money to the city.

The only legitimate reason to be against this is to show support for one neighborhood in Mesa. Or you're against progress and would like to revert to a little hick town.

The opponents have no clear argument, so they bring up the owner, or they bring up the past vote (Rio Salado) which is irrelevant - it was a totally different proposal, one which involved a Mesa tax.

The opponents can't even agree on one ballot. LOL