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Selfish?

 

Who is more selfish, those who want to make needed changes that will help preserve our "safety nets" before they go bottom up, or those who won't discuss it because it might mean sacrificing votes?

 

Those who want the government to get out of the way and allow the system to correct itself, or those who want to throw billions at their "buddies" and call it stimulus.

 

Using your stupid logic you would have say our founding fathers created this country based on "selfishness"? 

 

True selfishness is a sin and a human failing.  But being "charitable and generous" with someone elses money is a form of theft and a worse sin and human failing.

 

I've read the studies that show the most generous and unselfish are the Republicans when compared to the liberals.  So put up or shut up.

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Liberals or Conservatives: Who Really Cares?

by Thomas Sowell
11/28/2006
 
More frightening than any particular beliefs or policies is an utter lack of any sense of a need to test those beliefs and policies against hard evidence. Mistakes can be corrected by those who pay attention to facts but dogmatism will not be corrected by those who are wedded to a vision.

One of the most pervasive political visions of our time is the vision of liberals as compassionate and conservatives as less caring. It is liberals who advocate "forgiveness" of loans to Third World countries, a "living wage" for the poor and a "safety net" for all.

But these are all government policies -- not individual acts of compassion -- and the actual empirical consequences of such policies are of remarkably little interest to those who advocate them. Depending on what those consequences are, there may be good reasons to oppose them, so being for or against these policies may tell us nothing about who is compassionate or caring and who is not.
 
A book, titled "Who Really Cares" by Arthur C. Brooks examines the actual behavior of liberals and conservatives when it comes to donating their own time, money, or blood for the benefit of others. It is remarkable that beliefs on this subject should have become conventional, if not set in concrete, for decades before anyone bothered to check these beliefs against facts.

What are those facts?

People who identify themselves as conservatives donate money to charity more often than people who identify themselves as liberals. They donate more money and a higher percentage of their incomes.

It is not that conservatives have more money. Liberal families average 6 percent higher incomes than conservative families.

You may recall a flap during the 2000 election campaign when the fact came out that Al Gore??‹ donated a smaller percentage of his income to charity than the national average. That was perfectly consistent with his liberalism.

So is the fact that most of the states that voted for John Kerry during the 2004 election donated a lower percentage of their incomes to charity than the states that voted for George W. Bush.

Conservatives not only donate more money to charity than liberals do, conservatives volunteer more time as well. More conservatives than liberals also donate blood.

According to Professor Brooks: "If liberals and moderates gave blood at the same rate as conservatives, the blood supply of the United States would jump about 45 percent."

Professor Brooks admits that the facts he uncovered were the opposite of what he expected to find -- so much so that he went back and checked these facts again, to make sure there was no mistake.

What is the reason why some people are liberals and others are conservatives, if it is not that liberals are more compassionate?

Fundamental differences in ideology go back to fundamental assumptions about human nature. Based on one set of assumptions, it makes perfect sense to be a liberal. Based on a different set of assumptions, it makes perfect sense to be a conservative.

The two visions are not completely symmetrical, however. For at least two centuries, the vision of the left has included a belief that those with that vision are morally superior, more caring and more compassionate.

While both sides argue that their opponents are mistaken, those on the left have declared their opponents to be not merely in error but morally flawed as well. So the idea that liberals are more caring and compassionate goes with the territory, whether or not it fits the facts.

Those on the left proclaimed their moral superiority in the 18th century and they continue to proclaim it in the 21st century. What is remarkable is how long it took for anyone to put that belief to the test -- and how completely it failed that test.

The two visions are different in another way. The vision of the left exalts the young especially as idealists while the more conservative vision warns against the narrowness and shallowness of the inexperienced. This study found young liberals to make the least charitable contributions of all, whether in money, time or blood. Idealism in words is not idealism in deeds.
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I think I combined two different postings here.

The reference to obama was to the long list of scandelous, or perhaps yet to be dealt with scandals? that mr hiroad wrote. The truly conservative republican I long for hasn't been seen since Ford actually. I always revered Reagan as a hero to an era, but am not blind. I know fully well that he wasn't the super great president most consider him to be but what a speaker and how well he made us believe that everything he said was doable and right. But the following decade was hard and got worse for many of us. The beginning of the end said my husband, but we differed greatly. Perhaps my passionate longing for another Reagan would work if we got one with a stronger ethic and memory. But i won't give up there. I don't want another obama term. And unless the republicans can see how badly we need a major correction within the party and it's focus on a nation rather than the betterment of corporate wealth, well I do see another term for obama. The man just hasn't got the moxy Reagan had to get congress to fold and hand over the super rich's perks once and for all, I mean minus the trickle down bologna. Cut out the loopholes and     LET     them pay what they should. I do.

 

That kind of a conservative. One who understands entitlements are just that, regardless of the rest of us and they know right where their portfolios get their gains. The corporate profits in the trillions are getting so huge and almost tax free it's no wonder the republicans aren't too serious about winning. It's easier to hold onto congress and blame the dumbass democrats in the whitehouse rather than bring our jobs back home. That kind of true conservative that will be able to say I helped put America back to work and make the tax code simple and fair. the kind of conservative that can say, I was able to cut taxes and save our economy at the same time. Not the kind that cuts taxes and signs away our jobs under the guise of free trade at the same time. The kind of conservative that looks into the camera and tells the truth and makes the hard choices that make ALL Americans feel good about the future not just the super rich. I don't see that happening with another obama term. I'm sorry but I bet we all know it's true.

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