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Council of Europe demands truth on CIA 'black sites'

HUMAN RIGHTS

 
September 05, 2011|By the CNN Wire Staff
(file photo) Thomas Hammarberg, the human rights commissioner for the Council of Europe.

The human rights commissioner for the Council of Europe urged countries that have hosted secret CIA prisons to come clean Monday, as the 10th anniversary of 9/11 approaches.

Thomas Hammarberg said Poland, Romania and Lithuania were among at least seven countries that hosted "black sites" for "enhanced interrogation" during the "war on terror."

"Darkness still enshrouds those who authorized and ran the black sites on European territories," he said. "The full truth must now be established and guarantees given that such forms of co-operation will never be repeated."

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-05/world/europe.cia.rendition_1_black-sites-cia-officer-romania?_s=PM:WORLD

 

Former CIA Analyst Tells Truth About Libya Intervention On CNN, Hilarity Ensues

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Former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer appeared on CNN and told his lovely blonde and brunette anchors the truth about what is really happening. The hilarious Stepford Wives reaction and the unprecedented cognitive dissonance the ensues is worth the price of admission.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/former-cia-analyst-tells-truth-about-libya-intervention-cnn-hilarity-ensues

 

The Nation: The CIA's Truth Problem

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June 8, 2009

The United States has been trying to run a secret intelligence service in an open democracy for sixty years. It depends on trust between politicians and spies, two professions known to wrestle with truth. Trust has been broken time and again.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's recent charge that the CIA lied to her about the torture of suspected terrorists under President George W. Bush has started a whirlwind of spin. The big lie—President Bush said the United States didn't torture, though we did—has been lost in the maelstrom. So has a harsh truth: yes, the CIA has stonewalled and deceived Congress in the past, but Congress is stone deaf and derelict in overseeing the CIA.

Pelosi's old Congressional colleague Leon Panetta, who runs the CIA, wants to set things right. "There's been a lot of poison in the well," Panetta said on May 18, and "it hurts this country" when "Congress and the CIA don't feel like they're partners." He said he would commune with his Congressional overseers, hash things out in private, talk with them "in a way in which we can be honest with one another."

Good luck, Leon. Others have gone before you.

Like it or not, the United States needs trustworthy intelligence. But spying is a dirty and dangerous business. The CIA depends on officers who know how to lie, cheat and steal—"to use deception, to use manipulation, to use, frankly, dishonesty," in the words of former CIA general counsel Jeffrey Smith. But when things go wrong overseas—as they often do—the CIA is called to account in Washington from time to time. That's where things really go wrong.

The CIA is "an organization that thrives on deception," says John Hamre, former deputy secretary of defense. "How do you manage an organization like that?" Congress hasn't had the will or the wherewithal to do it.

Congress created the CIA in 1947, and for a generation most of its members did as Senator John Stennis advised: "Make up your mind that you are going to have an intelligence agency and protect it as such, and shut your eyes some, and take what is coming." Then a newly anointed president, Gerald Ford, let slip that the CIA had run lethal plots against foreign leaders, which would tarnish every president since Harry Truman.

Ford looked back in some anguish on this; he had been a Congressman when called to serve on the Warren Commission, which looked into the assassination of President Kennedy. Late in life he reflected on the CIA's keeping secrets from the commission—notably its plots against Fidel Castro. It was "unconscionable" that the CIA was "not giving us the full story," Ford said.

But when he was in the White House, Ford feared that the truth about the past would destroy the CIA and damage the United States. That same kind of fear is drowning out calls for a truth commission on the conduct of the "war on terror."

"The question is how to plan to meet the investigation of the CIA," Ford mused at a White House meeting in February 1975. His chief of staff, Donald Rumsfeld, called for "a damage-limiting operation" to save the secrets from spilling in Congress. The man Ford chose to run the CIA—George H.W. Bush—tried his best. But no one protected former CIA director Richard Helms. He drew a two-year suspended sentence in 1977 on a federal charge of deceiving Congress about his orders from President Nixon to overthrow the government of Chile.

Helms had an obligation to testify truthfully, but he thought he had a higher oath to keep secrets. America's political history turned on which oath mattered more. For the past thirty years, Congress has fought for the right to oversee the CIA. It has failed to fulfill its responsibilities.

Before President Reagan took office, in 1981, Congress created intelligence oversight committees in the Senate and the House. Reagan's CIA chief, William Casey, foiled them for six years. "Casey was guilty of contempt of Congress from the day he was sworn in," said Robert Gates, Casey's number-two man, now defense secretary. Casey obfuscated gleefully before the intelligence committees; his senior officers testified evasively. Among the consequences was the Iran/Contra affair, which blew up in late 1986. The spectacle of the United States caught shipping weapons to Iran, skimming the profits and slipping the money to anticommunists in Central America came close to wrecking Reagan's presidency.

From 1986 to '94, the CIA sent ninety-five highly classified reports on Moscow's military strength to the White House. Senior CIA officials knew some of the data were manipulated by Moscow and designed to deceive the United States. They decided it didn't matter. The discovery of this deception in 1995 was "incredible" and "shocking," said Fred Hitz, then the CIA's inspector general. "What came out of this whole episode was a feeling that the agency couldn't be trusted." The CIA had broken "the sacred trust," said Hitz, "and without that, no espionage agency can do its job."

Starting in 1995, the CIA used the Peruvian air force to shoot down airplanes suspected of carrying cocaine. In April 2001, the operation attacked a plane carrying a family of Michigan missionaries over the Amazon. Veronica Bowers, 35, and her daughter, Charity, seven months old, were killed. CIA inspector general John Helgerson reported that CIA officers had violated presidential orders controlling the operation and hid their misdeeds from Congress, the Justice Department and the National Security Council.

Seven years after the shoot-down, Peter Hoekstra—the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, now running for governor of Michigan—published a few damning paragraphs from the report. He called it evidence that the CIA "operates outside the law and covers up what it does and lies to Congress." That's what Pelosi said about torture.

Now, on orders from President Obama to dismantle and defeat Al Qaeda, the CIA is killing suspected terrorists with remote-controlled missiles fired from drone aircraft above Pakistan and Afghanistan. The CIA decides if it has hit the right targets and whether civilian deaths are acceptable. Do we want to live in a world where the CIA's clandestine service has the authority to decide who lives and who dies? The idea that the CIA may be killing civilians, sparking an ever wider war, is too hot for Congress to handle.

Oversight is a word with two meanings—to oversee and to oversleep. So is mislead. It means to lie, and it means a lack of leadership. Congress has a responsibility to oversee the CIA that remains largely unfulfilled. It has to ask the right questions, demand full answers and report the facts annually to the American people.

Will the CIA tell Congress the truth? Would Congress listen if it did? If trust remains broken, intelligence will fail again. And when intelligence fails, soldiers and civilians die.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105090777

 

Excavator Digs up Truth About CIA's Support for Khomeini's Regime Change in Iran

Friday, November 04, 2011 – by Staff Report

The British and U.S. Governments Installed Khomeini Into Power In 1979 ... Now I see that Khomeini was not an enemy, but a willful pawn of the U.S. and British who wanted power and war. He was a mass hypnotist much like Barack Obama, George Bush, Adolf Hitler, Bibi Netanyahu and other modern political puppets who rise to the top in modern politics by brainwashing the masses. Once the masses come under their hypnotic control they create false conflicts and wage wars in which millions of good men are misled and sacrificed. These wars are fought to make obscene profits for the military-industrial complex in every nation, put governments into debt to international banksters, reduce the population, and build a global totalitarian state. – Saman Mohammadi, The Excavator

Dominant Social Theme: A curse upon this crazy, brutal Iranian regime.

Free-Market Analysis: Say, this is another good article by the Excavator! We've been writing about the issue since the publication of High Alert in 2007 (as have others as well) but Mohammadi does a good job in presenting what we consider to be a fairly scholarly exegesis on the subject.

At the end of THIS article, we'll give Mohammadi, a fearless investigator and good writer, another assignment. If he accepts it (or notices), we'll be interested in reading the result!

It has never seemed to us probable that Khomeini led an Iranian revolution from France, where he was secreted – actually not secreted but in plain view. This is the M.O. of the elite. Lenin was similarly sheltered and then injected into Russia in a sealed train like "a bacillus."

Same with Khomeini. Apparently, on the plane headed back to Iran he groused to the assembled journalists about how much he hated the country and its inhabitants. Too bad. He had a job to do. Here are some articles we've written on the subject: "Is Iran War Up Next?," Khomeini's biographical entry and "The Rise of Iran."

It's all about directed history, baby. The Internet has been the single most effective tool in uncovering the REALITY of what's taking place – the incredible, despotic, arrogant use of civil and military shock troops to twist history into a pretzel.

Look, bottom line. If one has the brain for it (one is not, in other words, a linear thinker), one can trawl the Internet and do research that might take a year or longer in a single day. And that year of research would only be feasible if people had the resources, which they didn't.

One of the funny things about the Internet, especially in years past, is that you could find the fingerprints of the elite all over the larger institutions that control directed history. That's because in the pre-Internet era they weren't worried about putting their names on various boards and funding exercises. In fact, being egotistical, they wanted to be listed.

That paper trail is declining as fast as they can take their names off these institutions. But if you look, you can still track the patterns. A handful of people are involved at the top of this conspiracy – this top-secret and endless implementation of directed history.

Why is it important? Because these people starve human beings and start wars to get their way. They don't commit murders; they seem to commit genocides. And they're getting ready to do it again! God help us. Here's some more from the article:

The thesis that the British and U.S. governments drove out the Shah and replaced him with Khomeini destroys the clash of civilizations myth that has dominated the global conversation between Islam and the West for over a generation. For years I thought this thesis was too "out there," and a baseless conspiracy theory. The implications of the thesis are way too frightening to think about, and the level of the treason that it implies is beyond most people's imagination.

I accept most alternative versions of history but I did not want to believe that there was any truth to this thesis. It overturns my entire view of the 1979 Islamic Revolution, the relationship between Iran and the West, and the history of our times. But I always try to keep an open mind because anything is plausible in this crazy world. So, last month I finally decided to actually look at the evidence that is available on the Internet about this thesis and dig deeper into history.

The first clue that caught my eye was the Shah's own words. "If you lift up Khomeini's beard," he said, "you will find Made In England written under his chin." The Shah was at the center of power and he was a very wise man so this statement can't be dismissed as just another example of a Middle Eastern despot blaming a foreign conspiracy for a revolution that occurred under his watch ...

The Shah's decision to increase Iranian oil production angered U.S. oil companies and others who wanted to maintain artificial scarcity in the international oil market in order to keep prices high and make more profits. Specifically, the Shah said that a couple of years before the Revolution he "heard from two different sources connected with the oil companies that the regime within Iran will change.

This is a good article because it tells a grown-up version of the truth (as we see it anyway). What is left out of this long and factual effort is the NEW paradigm of history that has been uncovered by the Internet. The REAL history of modern times is the struggle between the middle classes and the elites – and it's intensifying due to COMMUNICATION technology.

The battle was joined during the era of the Gutenberg Press and has been rejoined in the era of the Internet. Thus, modern history is a cycle that favors first the elites and then the middle classes, depending on how powerfully the communication technology is revealing the plans of machinations of those who want to rule the world.

That's why we have labeled this era the "Internet Reformation." We live in exciting times. We seem to be experiencing a Renaissance of thought and a truth-telling in science, art, music, etc. The 20th century was a Dark Age. The 21st century may not be – no matter what the elites try to do.

Nothing is so powerful as an idea whose time has come. It may take decades for them to undo the damage to their plans. And by then, some other technology, perhaps, will have come along to undo what they have just stitched back up.

Conclusion: We almost forgot ... Here is our assignment for this intrepid and inquisitive journalist, should he, perchance, notice us and our commentary (and possess a cooperative spirit): Do a bit of research on the bearded Saddam Hussein who was "hung" during the regime of George W. Bush. And throw in bin Laden's death for good measure.

http://www.thedailybell.com/3190/Excavator-Digs-up-Truth-About-CIAs-Support-for-Khomeinis-Regime-Change-in-Iran

 

CIA Requires Secrecy to Cover Up Crimes that "Killed Millions"

 

Mobay, while I admire you for having the time to read all this stuff you post, I also wonder HOW you have the time to read all this stuff you post. Or, maybe you don't read all this stuff you post. I know I don't.

Council of Europe demands truth on CIA 'black sites'

HUMAN RIGHTS

 
September 05, 2011|By the CNN Wire Staff
(file photo) Thomas Hammarberg, the human rights commissioner for the Council of Europe.

The human rights commissioner for the Council of Europe urged countries that have hosted secret CIA prisons to come clean Monday, as the 10th anniversary of 9/11 approaches.

Thomas Hammarberg said Poland, Romania and Lithuania were among at least seven countries that hosted "black sites" for "enhanced interrogation" during the "war on terror."

"Darkness still enshrouds those who authorized and ran the black sites on European territories," he said. "The full truth must now be established and guarantees given that such forms of co-operation will never be repeated."

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-05/world/europe.cia.rendition_1_black-sites-cia-officer-romania?_s=PM:WORLD

 

Former CIA Analyst Tells Truth About Libya Intervention On CNN, Hilarity Ensues

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Former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer appeared on CNN and told his lovely blonde and brunette anchors the truth about what is really happening. The hilarious Stepford Wives reaction and the unprecedented cognitive dissonance the ensues is worth the price of admission.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/former-cia-analyst-tells-truth-about-libya-intervention-cnn-hilarity-ensues

 

The Nation: The CIA's Truth Problem

text size A A A
June 8, 2009

The United States has been trying to run a secret intelligence service in an open democracy for sixty years. It depends on trust between politicians and spies, two professions known to wrestle with truth. Trust has been broken time and again.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's recent charge that the CIA lied to her about the torture of suspected terrorists under President George W. Bush has started a whirlwind of spin. The big lie—President Bush said the United States didn't torture, though we did—has been lost in the maelstrom. So has a harsh truth: yes, the CIA has stonewalled and deceived Congress in the past, but Congress is stone deaf and derelict in overseeing the CIA.

Pelosi's old Congressional colleague Leon Panetta, who runs the CIA, wants to set things right. "There's been a lot of poison in the well," Panetta said on May 18, and "it hurts this country" when "Congress and the CIA don't feel like they're partners." He said he would commune with his Congressional overseers, hash things out in private, talk with them "in a way in which we can be honest with one another."

Good luck, Leon. Others have gone before you.

Like it or not, the United States needs trustworthy intelligence. But spying is a dirty and dangerous business. The CIA depends on officers who know how to lie, cheat and steal—"to use deception, to use manipulation, to use, frankly, dishonesty," in the words of former CIA general counsel Jeffrey Smith. But when things go wrong overseas—as they often do—the CIA is called to account in Washington from time to time. That's where things really go wrong.

The CIA is "an organization that thrives on deception," says John Hamre, former deputy secretary of defense. "How do you manage an organization like that?" Congress hasn't had the will or the wherewithal to do it.

Congress created the CIA in 1947, and for a generation most of its members did as Senator John Stennis advised: "Make up your mind that you are going to have an intelligence agency and protect it as such, and shut your eyes some, and take what is coming." Then a newly anointed president, Gerald Ford, let slip that the CIA had run lethal plots against foreign leaders, which would tarnish every president since Harry Truman.

Ford looked back in some anguish on this; he had been a Congressman when called to serve on the Warren Commission, which looked into the assassination of President Kennedy. Late in life he reflected on the CIA's keeping secrets from the commission—notably its plots against Fidel Castro. It was "unconscionable" that the CIA was "not giving us the full story," Ford said.

But when he was in the White House, Ford feared that the truth about the past would destroy the CIA and damage the United States. That same kind of fear is drowning out calls for a truth commission on the conduct of the "war on terror."

"The question is how to plan to meet the investigation of the CIA," Ford mused at a White House meeting in February 1975. His chief of staff, Donald Rumsfeld, called for "a damage-limiting operation" to save the secrets from spilling in Congress. The man Ford chose to run the CIA—George H.W. Bush—tried his best. But no one protected former CIA director Richard Helms. He drew a two-year suspended sentence in 1977 on a federal charge of deceiving Congress about his orders from President Nixon to overthrow the government of Chile.

Helms had an obligation to testify truthfully, but he thought he had a higher oath to keep secrets. America's political history turned on which oath mattered more. For the past thirty years, Congress has fought for the right to oversee the CIA. It has failed to fulfill its responsibilities.

Before President Reagan took office, in 1981, Congress created intelligence oversight committees in the Senate and the House. Reagan's CIA chief, William Casey, foiled them for six years. "Casey was guilty of contempt of Congress from the day he was sworn in," said Robert Gates, Casey's number-two man, now defense secretary. Casey obfuscated gleefully before the intelligence committees; his senior officers testified evasively. Among the consequences was the Iran/Contra affair, which blew up in late 1986. The spectacle of the United States caught shipping weapons to Iran, skimming the profits and slipping the money to anticommunists in Central America came close to wrecking Reagan's presidency.

From 1986 to '94, the CIA sent ninety-five highly classified reports on Moscow's military strength to the White House. Senior CIA officials knew some of the data were manipulated by Moscow and designed to deceive the United States. They decided it didn't matter. The discovery of this deception in 1995 was "incredible" and "shocking," said Fred Hitz, then the CIA's inspector general. "What came out of this whole episode was a feeling that the agency couldn't be trusted." The CIA had broken "the sacred trust," said Hitz, "and without that, no espionage agency can do its job."

Starting in 1995, the CIA used the Peruvian air force to shoot down airplanes suspected of carrying cocaine. In April 2001, the operation attacked a plane carrying a family of Michigan missionaries over the Amazon. Veronica Bowers, 35, and her daughter, Charity, seven months old, were killed. CIA inspector general John Helgerson reported that CIA officers had violated presidential orders controlling the operation and hid their misdeeds from Congress, the Justice Department and the National Security Council.

Seven years after the shoot-down, Peter Hoekstra—the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, now running for governor of Michigan—published a few damning paragraphs from the report. He called it evidence that the CIA "operates outside the law and covers up what it does and lies to Congress." That's what Pelosi said about torture.

Now, on orders from President Obama to dismantle and defeat Al Qaeda, the CIA is killing suspected terrorists with remote-controlled missiles fired from drone aircraft above Pakistan and Afghanistan. The CIA decides if it has hit the right targets and whether civilian deaths are acceptable. Do we want to live in a world where the CIA's clandestine service has the authority to decide who lives and who dies? The idea that the CIA may be killing civilians, sparking an ever wider war, is too hot for Congress to handle.

Oversight is a word with two meanings—to oversee and to oversleep. So is mislead. It means to lie, and it means a lack of leadership. Congress has a responsibility to oversee the CIA that remains largely unfulfilled. It has to ask the right questions, demand full answers and report the facts annually to the American people.

Will the CIA tell Congress the truth? Would Congress listen if it did? If trust remains broken, intelligence will fail again. And when intelligence fails, soldiers and civilians die.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105090777

 

Excavator Digs up Truth About CIA's Support for Khomeini's Regime Change in Iran

Friday, November 04, 2011 – by Staff Report

The British and U.S. Governments Installed Khomeini Into Power In 1979 ... Now I see that Khomeini was not an enemy, but a willful pawn of the U.S. and British who wanted power and war. He was a mass hypnotist much like Barack Obama, George Bush, Adolf Hitler, Bibi Netanyahu and other modern political puppets who rise to the top in modern politics by brainwashing the masses. Once the masses come under their hypnotic control they create false conflicts and wage wars in which millions of good men are misled and sacrificed. These wars are fought to make obscene profits for the military-industrial complex in every nation, put governments into debt to international banksters, reduce the population, and build a global totalitarian state. – Saman Mohammadi, The Excavator

Dominant Social Theme: A curse upon this crazy, brutal Iranian regime.

Free-Market Analysis: Say, this is another good article by the Excavator! We've been writing about the issue since the publication of High Alert in 2007 (as have others as well) but Mohammadi does a good job in presenting what we consider to be a fairly scholarly exegesis on the subject.

At the end of THIS article, we'll give Mohammadi, a fearless investigator and good writer, another assignment. If he accepts it (or notices), we'll be interested in reading the result!

It has never seemed to us probable that Khomeini led an Iranian revolution from France, where he was secreted – actually not secreted but in plain view. This is the M.O. of the elite. Lenin was similarly sheltered and then injected into Russia in a sealed train like "a bacillus."

Same with Khomeini. Apparently, on the plane headed back to Iran he groused to the assembled journalists about how much he hated the country and its inhabitants. Too bad. He had a job to do. Here are some articles we've written on the subject: "Is Iran War Up Next?," Khomeini's biographical entry and "The Rise of Iran."

It's all about directed history, baby. The Internet has been the single most effective tool in uncovering the REALITY of what's taking place – the incredible, despotic, arrogant use of civil and military shock troops to twist history into a pretzel.

Look, bottom line. If one has the brain for it (one is not, in other words, a linear thinker), one can trawl the Internet and do research that might take a year or longer in a single day. And that year of research would only be feasible if people had the resources, which they didn't.

One of the funny things about the Internet, especially in years past, is that you could find the fingerprints of the elite all over the larger institutions that control directed history. That's because in the pre-Internet era they weren't worried about putting their names on various boards and funding exercises. In fact, being egotistical, they wanted to be listed.

That paper trail is declining as fast as they can take their names off these institutions. But if you look, you can still track the patterns. A handful of people are involved at the top of this conspiracy – this top-secret and endless implementation of directed history.

Why is it important? Because these people starve human beings and start wars to get their way. They don't commit murders; they seem to commit genocides. And they're getting ready to do it again! God help us. Here's some more from the article:

The thesis that the British and U.S. governments drove out the Shah and replaced him with Khomeini destroys the clash of civilizations myth that has dominated the global conversation between Islam and the West for over a generation. For years I thought this thesis was too "out there," and a baseless conspiracy theory. The implications of the thesis are way too frightening to think about, and the level of the treason that it implies is beyond most people's imagination.

I accept most alternative versions of history but I did not want to believe that there was any truth to this thesis. It overturns my entire view of the 1979 Islamic Revolution, the relationship between Iran and the West, and the history of our times. But I always try to keep an open mind because anything is plausible in this crazy world. So, last month I finally decided to actually look at the evidence that is available on the Internet about this thesis and dig deeper into history.

The first clue that caught my eye was the Shah's own words. "If you lift up Khomeini's beard," he said, "you will find Made In England written under his chin." The Shah was at the center of power and he was a very wise man so this statement can't be dismissed as just another example of a Middle Eastern despot blaming a foreign conspiracy for a revolution that occurred under his watch ...

The Shah's decision to increase Iranian oil production angered U.S. oil companies and others who wanted to maintain artificial scarcity in the international oil market in order to keep prices high and make more profits. Specifically, the Shah said that a couple of years before the Revolution he "heard from two different sources connected with the oil companies that the regime within Iran will change.

This is a good article because it tells a grown-up version of the truth (as we see it anyway). What is left out of this long and factual effort is the NEW paradigm of history that has been uncovered by the Internet. The REAL history of modern times is the struggle between the middle classes and the elites – and it's intensifying due to COMMUNICATION technology.

The battle was joined during the era of the Gutenberg Press and has been rejoined in the era of the Internet. Thus, modern history is a cycle that favors first the elites and then the middle classes, depending on how powerfully the communication technology is revealing the plans of machinations of those who want to rule the world.

That's why we have labeled this era the "Internet Reformation." We live in exciting times. We seem to be experiencing a Renaissance of thought and a truth-telling in science, art, music, etc. The 20th century was a Dark Age. The 21st century may not be – no matter what the elites try to do.

Nothing is so powerful as an idea whose time has come. It may take decades for them to undo the damage to their plans. And by then, some other technology, perhaps, will have come along to undo what they have just stitched back up.

Conclusion: We almost forgot ... Here is our assignment for this intrepid and inquisitive journalist, should he, perchance, notice us and our commentary (and possess a cooperative spirit): Do a bit of research on the bearded Saddam Hussein who was "hung" during the regime of George W. Bush. And throw in bin Laden's death for good measure.

http://www.thedailybell.com/3190/Excavator-Digs-up-Truth-About-CIAs-Support-for-Khomeinis-Regime-Change-in-Iran

 

CIA Requires Secrecy to Cover Up Crimes that "Killed Millions"

 


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Quite an accomplishment Mobay!!!   You have temporarily taken the lead in the race for the longest cut and paste post on this web sight!  Congratulations.  We are searching for a suitable trophy.

 

By the way, I hope the CIA continues to lie to nutty Nancy Pelosi.  Good job boys.

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