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In 2008, Ron Paul received 15,773 votes in South Carolina. This year he received 77,993 votes. That's almost a 400% increase! The Revolution continues...

 

Ron Paul says he's on the hunt for convention delegates

By Joe Johns, CNN Correspondent
updated 1:04 AM EST, Sun January 22, 2012

Columbia, South Carolina (CNN) -- Republican presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, told supporters on Saturday that he has embarked on a strategy to amass as many delegates to the Republican National Convention as possible because "that's the name of the game."

His comments signaled that even though he finished fourth in a four-man field in the South Carolina primary, he has no intention of giving up.

Paul said in an exclusive interview with CNN that his campaign will focus on states that assign their delegates proportionally, as well as on states that hold caucuses as opposed to primaries.

"It's the momentum that we want," Paul told CNN, "and our goal is to get delegates. And we're going to be doing the states were they allocate by percentages as well as caucus states. So that's been our plan all along."

Paul had called South Carolina a tough road to hoe in his campaign for the Republican nomination. He campaigned lightly in the state until Friday, when he went hit six different stops in one day including a blowout of a rally in Columbia.

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Earlier in the week, Paul had traveled back to Washington to participate in a vote in the House of Representatives on increasing the debt ceiling.

In his stump speeches and in debates, Paul often suggested that South Carolina, with its large population of military personnel and retirees, might be fertile ground for votes. He is the only military veteran in the race and frequently claims that he gets more political contributions from active duty military personnel than any of his competitors.

But his calls to cut military spending make some in the party think twice.

After a second-place finish in New Hampshire, the Paul campaign signaled early that the candidate was looking farther ahead than even Florida, which is the next primary state on the calendar.

A campaign aide told CNN that Paul is focusing heavily on the states of Nevada and Minnesota, which hold caucuses instead of primaries.

The aide said Paul is buying broadcast and cable ads in both states, and described the size of the ad buy as significant.

The oldest candidate in the race with some of the youngest followers, Paul has attracted a considerable following on college campuses with his libertarian, anti-war and smaller government message, though his opponents claim that his chief attraction among younger voters is his previously stated position on legalization of marijuana.

Paul has been dogged by questions relating to newsletters from the 1990s bearing his name that contained sometimes racist language. Paul says he didn't write the newsletters and only later became aware of their content and disavowed them.

 

  • Newt Gingrich
  • 25 won 1119 needed
  • 0.04 Delegate strength what's this?
  • Ron Paul
  • 10 won 1134 needed
  • Mitt Romney
  • 14 won 1130 needed
  • Rick Santorum
  • 8 won 1136 needed
  • Michele Bachmann out
  • won 1144 needed
  • Jon Huntsman out
  • won 1144 needed
  • Rick Perry out

 

Gingrich, Perry disqualified from Va. primary ballot

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-politics/post/perry-disqualified-from-va-primary-ballot/2011/12/23/gIQA3BZNEP_blog.html

 

"It not the people who vote that matter....it's the people who count the votes that matter." -Stalin

 

Government is nothing more than a national association; and the object of this association is the good of all, as well individually as collectively. Every man wishes to pursue his occupation, and to enjoy the fruits of his labours and the produce of his property in peace and safety, and with the least possible expense. When these things are accomplished, all the objects for which government ought to be established are answered.

 

GOP: Party Like it’s 1964?

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1405321627001/gop-party-like-its-1964/

 

The media said John McCain was the most electable and he lost. The media said that Ronald Reagan was unelectable and won. What does that say?

 

What is War Good For?

Col. David Hunt and Prof. David Henderson discuss America’s current military campaigns and Ron Paul’s call for limited military involvement around the world.

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1403714898001/

 

South Carolina attorney general informs Justice Department of dead voters

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/21/south-carolina-attorney-general-informs-justice-department-dead-voters/

 

"There is no path to the White House without Ron Paul" - Doug Wead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxKpRctPHyc

 

Ron Paul: I Can Beat Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRQTM5sKZl8

 

 

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Feel free to stick a fork in Ron Paul at this point.  He's done.

Hey mobman...I gotta have some fun. Wikipedia says Paul got 16,155 votes in the 2008 primary in SC. Even at that, it says McCain got 147,733 and Huckabee got 132, 990.

 

This yr Gingrich got 243,153; Romney got 167,279; Santorum got 102,055; and Paul got 77,993. So, a 400 or so percent increase has you salivating? Paul lost by over three times his votes and you think he's a shoe in?

 

history speaks: "On June 12, 2008, Paul withdrew his bid for the Republican nomination, citing his resources could be better spent on improving America." So, he's a failure and a quitter.

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  • Newt Gingrich
  • 25 won 1119 needed
  • 0.04 Delegate strength what's this?
  • Ron Paul
  • 10 won 1134 needed
  • Mitt Romney
  • 14 won 1130 needed
  • Rick Santorum
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http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2012/calculator/

 

The reporters in the media that reported their 7-7-7 delegate totals or whatever are thoroughly wrong. No one should pay attention to delegate counts that award Iowa proportionately. This method they use to try to predict delegates is crap.

Ron Paul is probably going to greatly out-perform his support when the final 25 is decided. Here's how it works.

Step 1) Boring caucus crap. Sign in, pledge of allegiance, speeches from supporters of candidates

Step 2) Everyone votes

Step 3) Results are announced, the vast majority of people get up and start walking out (those who stuck around at all after they voted). Chair says "ok, now time to pick county delegates from our precinct!" Vast majority of people either don't hear, ignore, or roll their eyes, say "whatever, I don't care", and keep walking out.

Commentary) The only people left at this point are old people and hyper-ultra-interested Ron Paul supporters. There's usually a Ron Paul supporter trying to volunteer for every spot. Here's where things get tricky, sometimes the chair will demand that they apportion those slots, everyone shrugs their shoulders and says "sounds fair to me", and if any Ron Paul supporter objects wanting to take one of the Romney or Santorum slots, he gets outvoted. CSPAN aside, this almost never happens. What usually happens is that the room is a ghost town and there's barely anyone left to be the county delegates, just old people and hyper-interested Ron Paul supporters.

Step 4) Assuming, as is very likely, the caucus is not very well organized and there's not many people left in the room, hyper-interested Ron Paul supporters all volunteer for county delegate. Maybe an old person who voted for Romney/Santorum wants in. OK fine, whatever, if we let the old man take one of the spots maybe the room will let the Ron Paul supporters (who have all identified each other beforehand) take the rest of the slate. After all, almost no one is interested in this. Even if Romney won 35%, Santorum 25%, and Ron Paul 15%, if there's plenty of Ron Paul supporters in an apathetic or empty room, they will enthusiastically grab all the slots and vote for each other.

Step 5) A slate of county delegates where Ron Paul is wildly over-represented is elected, all those thousands of hyper-interested Ron Paul supporters move on.

Step 6) At that point, the county people vote for people to go to state, and the state people vote for the 25. Its unpredictable how the 25 will be broken down by candidate supporter, but the first county level has far more Ron Paul supporters than just 22%, they are all unbound, and there's no obligation at all to make sure they are proportionate to the vote, because after all... the vote was a straw poll. It means nothing, except to the national media, to people in other states trying to make up their mind, and in that they cause candidates to drop out.

For all I know, Ron Paul could wind up with all 25 delegates despite coming in third.

how many of you stuck around to be delegates cause that's what ron paul people do!!!! btw Iowa in a non-binding state!!!!!! it ain't over tell the national this year boys!!!! wonder how many other states are non-binding!!!! get it now!!!!

 

 

Virginia Primary Ballot Challenge: Judge Rules Against Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum & Jon Huntsman

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/13/virginia-primary-ballot-lawsuit_n_1205277.html

 

Ron Paul Looking Past Florida Primary 2012 To Focus On Caucus States

While Floridians will be bombarded with political ads ahead of the state's Jan. 31 primary, one candidate will be missing from their televisions: Ron Paul.

The libertarian-minded Texas congressman isn't running ads in the state -- where media is expensive -- and won't even be in the state on primary day, reports CNN.

Paul is, however, participating in Monday and Thursday's GOP debates in Florida. He finished fifth in the state in 2008, with just over 3 percent of the vote.

Paul also largely wrote off South Carolina, where he finished last.

Instead, Paul is looking for voters in caucus states like Maine, Minnesota, Nevada and Colorado, where his campaign can unleash its organizational savvy.

"We've got four early-caucus states coming up next month. Colorado, which is a caucus-convention hybrid, Minnesota, Maine, and of course Nevada," Paul's campaign chairman, Jesse Benton, told CBS News recently. "We've had field operations there with multiple employees, IDing voters, doing voter outreach, knocking on doors, working the phones and building coalitions, and we plan to compete and win in those caucuses." Paul's campaign is also running ads in Nevada and Minnesota.

The Huffington Post's Sam Stein reported that Paul's delegate-focused strategy is reminiscent of then-candidate Barack Obama's strategy in 2008.

Florida is a winner-take-all primary, which doesn't play to Paul's delegate strategy. It is also a closed primary, meaning that only registered Republicans, and not the independent voters that Paul attracts, can vote. In New Hampshire, he won the independent vote by a 31-27 margin over Mitt Romney.

Paul made it clear Sunday that his focus is on the electoral math: "Our goal is to get delegates. And we're going to be doing the states were they allocate by percentages as well as caucus states. So that's been our plan all along," he said on CNN.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/ron-paul-florida-primary-2012_n_1224714.html

 

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