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Keep out of Ukraine

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I GOT IT, all obama has to do is get al sharpton to call Putin a racist, that will embarrass him and he will pull back has troops (which aren’t really there according to PMSNBC) and its over. You would think any community organizer could have thought of that.

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If Russia wants to invade, lets watch her, but keep out of it.  Revolting in Ukraine has been brewing since the USSR broke apart.  The reason, when USSR broke up everyone took their Communist hat off, reached on the right side of the desk and put on a Capitalist hat.  As soon as they did this, they went back to work doing what they always did.   No change.  Why? Because they didn't know what else to do.  It has taken two generations to get them here and they still don't have a clue how free enterprise works.  People in power or office resist change terribly bad.

Please U.S. keep out of it, we will just loose another potential friend, and could start a war we don't want.

Why in the H-E-double hockey stick would you feel you even had to make this post. Name one thing this nutless wonder of the world posing as pothus has done to make you suddenly believe that has suddenly found enough sack to do anything other than read threats off a prompter. Or do you have inside info that Michelle has let him borrow hers?

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Back in 1994, Slick Willy Clinton, Boris Yeltsin, and other world leaders convinced the Ukraine to give up their nuclear weapons.  In return, they promised to protect Ukrainian soveirgnity and borders.  In 2009, the obumbler upped the anti by convincing the Ukraine to destroy their conventional weapons of self defense in order to make things "safer" for their citizens!  It was called the Budapest Memorandum:

 

from The Voice of America:

"The Budapest Memorandum and Crimea

Ron Synovitz, RFE/RL
With tensions rising in Crimea and pro-Russian forces controlling the peninsula's main airports, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk has called on Russia to "not violate the Budapest Memorandum." So what is the "Budapest Memorandum" and what does it have to do with Crimea?

What exactly is the "Budapest Memorandum"?

The "Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances" is a diplomatic memorandum that was signed in December 1994 by Ukraine, Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom.

It is not a formal treaty, but rather, a diplomatic document under which signatories made promises to each other as part of the denuclearization of former Soviet republics after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

Under the memorandum, Ukraine promised to remove all Soviet-era nuclear weapons from its territory, send them to disarmament facilities in Russia, and sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Ukraine kept these promises.

In return, Russia and the Western signatory countries essentially consecrated the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine as an independent state. They did so by applying the principles of territorial integrity and nonintervention in 1975 Helsinki Final Act -- a Cold War-era treaty signed by 35 states including the Soviet Union -- to an independent post-Soviet Ukraine.

Which principles in the Helsinki Final Act, reiterated in the "Budapest Memorandum," are relevant to the current situation in the Crimea?

In the "Budapest Memorandum," Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States promised that none of them would ever threaten or use force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine. They also pledged that none of them would ever use economic coercion to subordinate Ukraine to their own interest.

They specifically pledged they would refrain from making each other's territory the object of military occupation or engage in other uses of force in violation of international law.

All sides agreed that no such occupation or acquisition will be recognized as legal and that the signatories would "consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments."

Is there anything legally binding about the "Budapest Memorandum" regarding Russia's obligations to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity?

"That's actually a much more complex question than it may sound. It is binding in international law, but that doesn't mean it has any means of enforcement," says Barry Kellman, a professor of law and director of the International Weapons Control Center at DePaul University's College of Law."
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The point is that the people of the Ukraine have had traits bred out of them over the past 70 +/- years.  Innovation being one of these.  The young Ukrain people are starting to experience the benefits of this and the older citizens are resisting.  To join Russia instead of staying a Ukraine citizen is to be expected, its comfortable to go back to the way you were raised and lived.

 

Perhaps the same could be said for the U.S. we now have some war mongers like the ultra conservatives, Ryan, McCaine, etc. that don't really know how to live and function without a cold war being waged.   Why, because this was always present when they grew up and lived.

 

Ukraine is more basic than you think.  Would Muscatine City be accused of invasion if they annexed the area north of the by-pass?

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