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Of course you don't want to answer my question.  You know the answer and it doesn't suit your purpose.

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Of course you don't want to answer my question.  You know the answer and it doesn't suit your purpose.

  If you would have read my post, you would have seen this!

You want my anwser, then I say your question is fundamentally wrong and completely based on lies.

Your question is a incorrect, so unless you can show evidence that it is in fact correct, I can't answer it.. See, you know there is no proof that " Islam calls for the killing of innocent people, as the integral part of their religion?  And then, in this day and age, actually carries out that insanity?"

 

 

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You must actually believe that "unbelievers"/"infidels", in the view of muslems, are not "innocent".  And that muslem terrorist murderers don't believe that they are justified by teachings of islam?

 

 

Just go to youtube for video proof evidence showing terrorists in the act of killing calling out "Allah Ahkbar".

 

You have to be an idiot.

 

 

From the Hadith:

 

Bukhari
(52:177)
- Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until
you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will
say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

 

Bukhari
(52:256)
- The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack
the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and
children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are
from them (i.e. pagans)."
In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is
permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. 
This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.

 

Bukhari
(52:65)
- The Prophet said, 'He who fights that Allah's Word, Islam,
should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause. 
Muhammad's words are the basis
for offensive Jihad - spreading Islam by force.  This is how it was understood
by his companions, and by the terrorists of today.  

 

Bukhari
(52:220)
- Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with
terror'

 

etc., etc.

 

The Quran:

Quran
(2:191-193)
- "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out
from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah
[disbelief or unrest]
is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and
worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But
if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the
polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"
  (Translation is from the Noble Quran)  The
historical
context
of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and
his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by
their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in
that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later
did
).  The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus
disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and
oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse).  The actual
Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results
from unbelief or temptation.  Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that
violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie.
unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

 

Quran
(2:244)
- "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth
and knoweth all things."

 

Quran
(2:216)
- "Fighting is prescribed
for you
, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which
is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah
knoweth, and ye know not."
  Not only does this verse establish that violence
can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only
in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. 
From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad
was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding
merchant caravans
for loot.

 

Quran
(3:56)
- "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible
agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to
help."

 

Quran
(3:151)
- "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers,
for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no
authority". 
This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes
Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly
believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

 

Quran
(4:74)
- "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this
world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he
victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
  The martyrs of Islam are
unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter.  These
Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction
for the cause of Allah.  This is the theological basis for today's suicide
bombers.

 

Quran
(4:76)
- "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

 

Quran
(4:89)
- "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus
be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until
they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn
renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case)
take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

 

Quran
(4:95)
- "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no
hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and
their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight
with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in
Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He
distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" 
This
passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting
them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes.  It also demolishes the
modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a
spiritual struggle.  Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is
clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically
disabled are given exemption.  (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to
be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and
this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

 

Quran
(4:104)
- "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer
pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."
  Is pursuing
an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

 

Quran
(5:33)
- "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His
messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should
be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on
opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for
them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous
chastisement"

 

Quran
(8:12)
- "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve.
Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" 
No
reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

 

Quran
(8:15)
- "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle,
turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them,
unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath
incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's
end."

 

Quran
(8:39)
- "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder,
unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"  Some translations
interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this
word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for  2:193).  The
Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.  Other
Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since
Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction.  The Meccans were also
acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to
destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did).  Hence
the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for
Allah"
, meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of
the opposition.  According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further
explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

 

Quran
(8:57)
- "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to
strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
  

 

Quran
(8:67)
- "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war
until he had made a great slaughter in the land...
"

 

Quran
(8:59-60)
- "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can
outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.  Make ready for them all
thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay
the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

 

Quran
(8:65)
- "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

 

Quran
(9:5)
- "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the
idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie
in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay
the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." 
According to this verse, the
best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer
(salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five
Pillars).  This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the
context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since
the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack.  Had they
been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a
duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months).  The
historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by
Muhammad and posed no threat.  Once the Muslims had the power, they violently
evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

 

Quran
(9:14)
- "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands
and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a
believing people."
Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the
blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment
and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

 

Quran
(9:20)
- "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with
their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's
sight. These are they who are triumphant." 
The Arabic word interpreted as
"striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad".  The context is obviously
holy war.

 

Quran
(9:29)
- "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold
that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book,
until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." 
"People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews.  According to this
verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being
their religious status.  This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and
it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's
companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100
years.  Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

 

Quran
(9:30)
- "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians
say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they
imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how
they are turned away!"

 

Quran
(9:38-39)
- "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye
are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do
ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of
this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish
you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." 
This is a
warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

 

Quran
(9:41)
- "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your
wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but
knew." 
See also the verse that follows (9:42)
- "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would
(all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed)
on them"
  This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in
self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long
distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case,
according to the historians).

 

etc., etc.

 

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