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Below are the actual minutes from a CCHOA committee meeting last week (sent to me by an individual who received the email but didn't go to that meeting).

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Recreation Committee Meeting Minutes on Action Items from June 3rd meeting and their resolution.

Jim O?’Reilly + All : presented ideas on strategic planning options. The lawsuit outcome looks like it may uncap voting: that is a homeowners votes would be proportional to their property value. If the By-law committee resolves that the dues should also be proportional ?– the CCHOA homeowners revenue would jump from $900 to about $1.4 million ($500K differential). The good news is there would be some money for some capital improvements that we have not been able to even consider. Bad news is it is more out of pockets of folks with larger homes. Possible approach would be to 1) present a desirable strategic improvement package that homeowners want and would justify the money (next paragraph)) 2) show strategy to bring fees down so burden will only continue a few years 3) Prepare comparison of other neighborhoods and their amenities to help justify the millage in the meantime (separate action item).

About what could be built: Jim presented one architect?’s renderings prepared awhile ago (on file at CCHOA) Pool improvements in that sample were pavilion, second zero depth kids pool with mushrooms etc, slide into current pool, connecting walkways, playscape, second set of rest rooms, fence moving so plays cape and basketball court are outside fence, sails for shade. Survey indicated definite desire for a facility in which to have fitness classes, etc. Could consider structure ?– perhaps on lot on either side of Kiker (CCHOA would have to purchase land). If $500K per year extra were coming in for a few years ?– would have enough capitol that might be able to get loan for building and do some of it more quickly with loan.

Appears that we would be able to use about 10K-20K of the $1000/house building fund from the current area being developed (circle c west etc.) to use to pay for an initial strategic plan.

General discussion and question and answers let to the final general plan:

Across the next few weeks produce a matrix of features at pool + recreation facilities versus neighborhoods. For features Include things such as architect, access mechanism and provider, what swim teams practice there, what programs are offered such as swim lessons, aerobics, exercise classes, ?… Also develop list of amenities to compare at different neighborhoods and homeowner fees. This will be used to produce another matrix of these amenities and price (dues/funding) versus neighborhood. Thirdly, develop a list of neighborhoods we think are comparables(see below). Each of us will take a neighborhood, visit it, take photos (digital) and fill out both the pool and rec feature list and the amenity list for that community. We need to have the info to Toni by June 29th and the photos to Doug Feight. We?’ll review it at the July meeting.

In June we also need to be creating list of possible architects. We have two names already ?– one working in the circle c west area and one who did the drawings we reviewed at the meeting (from awhile back). Send email to neighbors soliciting anyone in neighborhood.

Possible list of comparable neighborhoods discussed:
NW Y
Avery Ranch
Steiner Ranch
Lakeway
Riverplace
Welles Branch
Houston Area Pools (Trent may have info on this)

July: Primarily collect initial responses from ?“architects?” on if they want to be considered.

End July/August: BOD issues RFP to 10ish architects


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O'Reilly +$500k Plan II

October: have received proposals. Rec committee narrows to 3. BOD chooses.

Aaron: Report on pool issues:
No emergencies
Update on display case for outside pool
Last Time: Lexan Case (3ft x 5ft, lighted at night, $3340)
Got more quotes - $500 - $1000: won?’t mark wall, black with white lettering, ?…
Committee voted to request that CCHOA allocate up to $1000 to purchase display case
Update on Circle C Swimming revenue: up to date
Received new life guard chair
Lane configuration ?– generally seems to be the right compromise but need to work to get it working more smoothly ?– lanes marked, kids out of them, etc.

Pam and Toni: Request that CCHOA add Handicapped Parking in front of pool

Aaron + Toni: Lighting: I think it is a dead issue? Aaron is going to see if he can get lights added to back of sport court to shine on parking lot. Also will look into lights on post office ?– getting them to be more powerful.

Jonna & Toni: Need to see where we are on $600 invoice to CCHOA for Swim team delivering homeowner fliers

Toni: Need to send softcopy of all docs to committee.

Toni: Update on Kids Triathalon. Separate handout. August 16th. Paul Stansberry indicated might be a good idea to have a triathalon director over everything. Should check if Paul Carozza is in this capacity or he is only running? See triathalon handout for more info.

Pam & Toni: Discussion of Survey results ?– pretty much covered in discussion with Jim O?’Reilly at beginning. Temporary tents purchased to address shade before memorial day. Reporting it any further?

Toni: Bike Paths, Kiosks coming soon (and restoom at park) to Park Areas courtesy of Park Department ?– Deferred until next meeting.

Toni and Clay and Kevin: Should we formalize the information from Clay's friend in terms of comparison of pool rental fees.. Should we do same with UT info? - Deferred until next meeting

Toni and Paul: Charter: Handle by email exchange between committee members
Property Value???

I am curious how (whom ever) would decide the PROPERTY VALUES? Based on our tax assessments? Well that's bull...I have spoken w/ some neighbors and the values seem to have quite a range. How can one house almost EXACTLY like mine value for example on the tax assessment as 250K and then the next guy gets an assessment for 225K? (Lucky for them) The property values from the tax folks are a joke anyway. (So are appraisals for that matter and you can sway an appraiser especially if you take the time to point out all the special things you've done to your home.) And then look at the for sale flyers on the front yards of our neighbor?’s homes, seems like almost everyone thinks their home is worth much more then the market could bare. Seems like the value on ones house should have NOTHING to do with the amount one pays for living here. Me for example HAVE NEVER USED THE POOL, mainly because the hours are not friendly; there are so many kids at the pool making noise especially when the swim teams are there. But I have to pay the same as everyone else. I was VP on a HOA before moving here and we never did anything like the board does at CCR. Also, we had 5 board members for a development that was only 200 homes!

Bottom line, we should all pay the same. The values of our homes depend on lots of issues; the amount the HOA collects from us should be the same because we are talking about maintenance of our common areas, not our private lots.

Thanks for listening.
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1 vote per house - one fee, too!

I think we should make sure our new By-Laws provide for voting on a one lot per vote basis. I also think that aseessments by value are justified, as long as there is at least a 2:1 ratio of housing values in CCR (I'm guessing, but I think it's more like 3:1).

Still, I don't like paying for the pool, either. It's not turned out to be convienent or attractive to most of the neighborhood. If you live in CCR North or East, the pool is hardly a local resource.

If our Assessments are going up, then lets plan for 3 more pools with parks, and put them where the OTHER CCHOA members live.

The current pool can just go private and save CCHOA a fifth of it's annual budget.
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