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The First Thanksgiving

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Our nation was founded on a few principles.  The primary being "liberty".

 

lib·er·ty

noun \?ˆli-b?™r-t?“\
plurallib·er·ties
 

Definition of LIBERTY

1: the quality or state of being free: a: the power to do as one pleases b: freedom from physical restraint c: freedom from arbitrary or despotic control d: the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges e: the power of choice 
 
From a Dedication to a Tree of Liberty, Providence, Rhode Island (during the time of the American Revolution):
"We do therefore.....dedicate and solemnly devote this tree to b e a Tree of Liberty.  May all our councils and deliberations under its branches be guided by wisdom and directed to the support and maintenance of that liberty which our renowned forefathers sought out and found under trees and in the wilderness."
 
Of course this is a beautiful concept.  Liberty was why people came to this country.  Long before the revolution and continuing up to the mid 1900's, and for a few after the mid 1900's.   The more socialistic and centralized we get, the less liberty we have. 
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You are missing the point.  The pilgrims tried a commune and it failed. (Like all communes fail). 

 

We still consider China a communist nation but they seem to have not failed but to have prospered.  I believe Viet Nam is the same.

 

They tried individual ownership and it succeded handily and saved their lives and caused them to prosper.  That is the point.

By the way, they didn't try "capitalism".  The individual ownership naturally led to capitalism.

 

I think you're right that it wasn't really capitalism yet.

 

 

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Communist countries don't start to prosper until they start moving away from communism and allow more private commerce.  The more they allow, the more they prosper.

 

from the CIA: "China's economy during the last quarter century has changed from a centrally planned system that was largely closed to international trade to a more
market-oriented economy that has a rapidly growing private sector and is a major
player in the global economy. Reforms started in the late 1970s with the phasing
out of collectivized agriculture, and expanded to include the gradual
liberalization of prices, fiscal decentralization, increased autonomy for state
enterprises, the foundation of a diversified banking system, the development of
stock markets, the rapid growth of the non-state sector, and the opening to
foreign trade and investment. ....etc."

 

Vietnam currently has a central controlled (communist) government and a market controlled (capitalist) economy.

 

The strictest communist nations are the least prosperous.

 

The more capitalist countries are the most prosperous.

 

How many people do you know that have immigrated to China or Vietnam in order to improve their lot?

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