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It is not about "old english law".  It is all about our constitution, the expressed intent of our founding fathers, and the subsequent amendments to the constitution.

 

The current pro obumbler argument, as I understand it, is that he qualifies as a "citizen" because he was born in Hawaii, not because his mother was a citizen. 

 

But...there is a big difference between a "citizen", and a "natural born citizen":

 

What is a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.?

Synopsis

by John Greschak
john@greschak.com

In the essay titled What is a Natural Born Citizen of
the United States?
, I have put forward an interpretation and definition
of the phrase natural born Citizen as it is used in the United States
Constitution. To that end, I have used the original manuscript of a letter from
John Jay to George Washington, along with a draft for that letter, and two
essays written by Jay, to deduce both intent and meaning.

I have put
forward the following intent of the United States constitutional requirement
that the President of the United States be a natural born Citizen of the
United States
:
Intent. The intent of the United States constitutional
requirement that the President of the United States be a natural born Citizen
of the United States
is: (1) to reduce the likelihood that a
President of the United States would have a former, or present, attachment to a
foreign country (because such an attachment could influence one to make
decisions that would not promote the interests of the United States); and
(2) to increase the likelihood that the interests of any President of the
United States will coincide with those of the United States.
I have considered the implications of the fact that Jay wrote
(in his letter to Washington) "natural born Citizen" with no hyphen and
the word born underlined as shown here:
 
I have examined Merriam-Webster's Dictionary and Noah Webster's
An American Dictionary of the English Language (published in 1828) in an
attempt to establish the most likely meanings of the words natural,
born and Citizen in this context. Here, I believe born
means "from birth", natural means "having a normal or usual character"
and Citizen means "a person domiciled in the United States, for whom
rights, privileges and immunities are set forth in the United States
Constitution." I have carefully considered the synonym study for the words
regular, normal, typical and natural, which states
that these words "mean being of the sort or kind that is expected as usual,
ordinary, or average" and "Natural applies to what conforms to a thing's
essential nature, function, or mode of being <the natural love of a
mother for her child>." From this, I have put forward the following
interpretation of the phrase natural born Citizen of the United
States:
Interpretation. The natural born Citizens of the United
States
are the born Citizens (of the United States) of the particular
expectable kind that is considered by the United States as belonging
to the United States to a maximal degree
, where here expectations are in
accord with the essential nature of the United States.
Of the
factors that have been used in the United States to determine the degree to
which one belongs to the United States, I have found the following six factors
for which there is a basis in the United States Constitution:
Factors employed (explicitly or implicitly) in the United States
Constitution to gauge the degree to which one belongs to the United States:
  1. Whether or not one was born in the United States.
  2. Whether or not one is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
  3. The number of years one has been a Citizen of the United States.
  4. Whether or not one's place of domicile is in the United States.
  5. The total number of years one has lived in the United States.
  6. Whether or not one is a member of a specified category of
    Citizens.
From this interpretation and these
factors, I have established the following necessary and sufficient conditions
for one to be a natural born Citizen of the United States:
Necessary and Sufficient Conditions. A given person is a
natural born Citizen of the United Statesif and only if:
  1. The person was born in the United States,
  2. Both parents of the person were Citizens of the United States when that
    person was born, and
  3. The person has been a Citizen of the United States, since
    birth.
(Note: Here, and in the United States Constitution, the
phrase Citizen of the United States means a person domiciled in the
United States, for whom rights, privileges and immunities are set forth in the
United States Constitution.)
I have put forward the following
definition of the phrases Citizen of the United States, native born
Citizen of the United States
, natural born Citizen of the United
States
, and naturalized Citizen of the United States:
Definition. A Citizen of the United States is a person
domiciled in the United States, for whom rights, privileges and immunities are
set forth in the United States Constitution. A native born Citizen of the
United States
is a person who was born in the United States, and has been,
since birth, a Citizen of the United States. A natural born Citizen of
the United States
is a native born Citizen of the United States, born
exclusively of Citizens of the United States. A naturalized Citizen of
the United States
is a Citizen of the United States who is not a
natural born Citizen of the United States.
Finally, I
have put forward the idea that this definition be added to the United States
Constitution in the form of the following Natural Born Citizen
Amendment:
Proposed Natural Born Citizen Amendment to the United
States Constitution.

No person shall be a Citizen of the United States
who is not domiciled, either by choice or dependency, in the United States. A
native born Citizen of the United States is a person who was born in the United
States, and has been, since birth, a Citizen of the United States. A natural
born Citizen of the United States is a native born Citizen of the United States,
born exclusively of Citizens of the United States. A naturalized Citizen of the
United States is a Citizen of the United States who is not a natural born
Citizen of the United States.
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I gotta tell ya I just don't ?????

 

How is that one parent especially the one pushing the little bugger out of her body being a citizen of this country, doesn't pass that status along to her child? More needs to be read here. This blogosphere didn't quite prove much but to refer back to so much old english law,that for some reason leaves the mother out of the citizenship equation. If that does stand then he had better have been born in Hawaii or---well goodbye prezzzzz. 

Don't worry.   It's Hawaii.   Don't let 'em bamboozle you.

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and that natural born is in The Law of Nations which is the book george washington never returned to the library

Natural Born Citizen for Dummies yes obama is NOT a natural born citizen.. only one parent was citizen

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/natural-born-citizen-for-dummies-yes-obama-is-not-a-natural-born-citizen-only-one-parent-was-ci/question-2580109/

 

 

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It is not about "old english law".  It is all about our constitution, the expressed intent of our founding fathers, and the subsequent amendments to the constitution.

 

The current pro obumbler argument, as I understand it, is that he qualifies as a "citizen" because he was born in Hawaii, not because his mother was a citizen. 

 

But...there is a big difference between a "citizen", and a "natural born citizen":

 

What is a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.?

Synopsis

by John Greschak
john@greschak.com

In the essay titled What is a Natural Born Citizen of
the United States?
, I have put forward an interpretation and definition
 
I have examined Merriam-Webster's a
From this interpretation and these
factors, I have established the following necessary and sufficient conditions
for one to be a natural born Citizen of the United States:
Necessary and Sufficient Conditions. A given person is a
natural born Citizen of the United Statesif and only if:
  1. The person was born in the United States,
  2. Both parents of the person were Citizens of the United States when that
    person was born, and
  3. The person has been a Citizen of the United States, since
    birth.


John McCaine was born in Panama and George Romney was born in Mexico and yet both were allowed to run for President of the United States without a lot of questions and nonsense even though both would fail by the requirements above. 

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