? Strange and uninformed conclusions Joe!
Sorry again---wrong gender and name. Don't you think by now if you knew me so well or this other person, he or I would know so much about you too, I'd think ole -Joe_ might be able to expound on your nature and character too. I cannot, so I don't. But keep trying, I;ll dig up something the longer you go on so. But within the rest of the next paragraphs I must admit there are some good points you offered.
The differences between the two operations are significant and stark.
(1) First and foremost, operation Wide Receiver did not result in the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent or an Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer. Fast and Furious did. The guns that ultimately killed Border Patrol agent Brian Terry and ICE officer Jamie Zapata were traced back to straw purchasers related to Fast and Furious. Zapata’s family filed a wrongful death suit against the U.S. Justice Department last week.
Further, officials have confirmed that the guns from Fast and Furious have already killed hundreds of Mexican citizens and Holder has said on the record that they will likely kill many more. The total number of confirmed deaths so far from Wide Receiver: Zero.
Never said it did. Correct and probably the vary reason we didn't hear of it. So no big revelation there.
(2) Second, Wide Receiver, though flawed, was more of a gun-tracing operation than a gun-walking program. Gun-tracing involves putting specific safeguards in place to track firearms,
Mountain out of a mole-hill by giving it a name and every bit as dangerous to innocent lives and our officers. Luck isn't a good backup plan regardless of intent. It too was a stupid idea. such as RFID chips perhaps with video or aerial surveillance. Gun-walking is what happened in Fast and Furious, where ATF agents sold thousands of guns without a reliable way to recover them, apparently just hoping for the best.
Some of the guns from Wide Receiver were implanted with RFID chips and were actively tracked electronically. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in Phoenix also implemented aerial surveillance tactics in an attempt to follow the weapons.
However, problems reportedly arose due to poorly implanted RFID chips which were forced into the guns, bending the antennas and decreasing their effectiveness. Cartels and straw purchasers also eventually came up with creative ways to shake tracking maneuvers and overhead surveillance, such as driving in loops for hours until surveillance planes had to refuel.
Those in charge of Fast and Furious took no similar steps to strengthen their chances of recovering walked guns other than recording the serial numbers before watching them disappear in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.
In fact, ATF agents involved in Fast and Furious have previously testified that they were ordered to stand down and not track the weapons even when interdiction was possible and instead “took notes” and let the guns walk across the Mexico border.
(3) Third, one must take into account the size and scope of the operations.
Speaking to members of the Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this month, Holder said that “three hundred guns” were allowed to “walk” (although note the difference between “tracing” and “walking” above) in Wide Receiver. While there is no evidence that suggests otherwise, the figure is dwarfed by the approximately 2,000 firearms that walked in Fast and Furious. Roughly 1,400 guns were lost and about 700 have been recovered in Mexico and at crime scenes like the sites of Terry and Zapata’s murders
Agreed by and large, Though.it takes one gun and one bullet to kill an innocent or officer. Still a stupid idea. As i said earlier, So---Ideally, Bush's boys didn't screw it up like obama's boys did.
(4) Perhaps the most convincing piece of evidence proving the two operations are separate from each other is the fact that Wide Receiver was shut down in 2007 shortly after it was clear the program was a failure. This was before Obama was even in office and nearly two years before Fast and Furious began.
Fast and Furious wasn’t shut down until late 2010 after the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans, a border agent and an ICE officer.
Thank you for this obvious declaration of pointless misconceived failure. Clears up a lot. But I didn't state it was a good thing for obama and his pals. IT WAS A BLAZING-LY STUPID IDEA for both presidents to allow it in the first place, is the point and hard to argue otherwise.
(5) Finally, unlike Fast and Furious, officials involved in Wide Receiver were reportedly in close contact with Mexican authorities during the operation, though how involved Mexican officials were is not entirely known.
What is known is that Mexican authorities were kept completely in the dark during Fast and Furious, according to the Mexican ambassador to the U.S. Mexico. He announced on June 1, 2012, that Mexico would be launching its own probe into Fast and Furious. Smart move on his part. Honesty isn't guaranteed here by any means and since we don't truly know what the Mexicans knew then it seems irrelevant.
It should be perfectly clear that both the Bush and Obama administration conducted two separate, flawed operations. One, however, was a much deadlier and larger operation AGREED YOU BET. IT WAS S_T_U_P_I_D..
If there is evidence of wrongdoing, or false testimony related to operation Wide Receiver, those responsible should be held accountable. But the argument that Fast and Furious is all about “politics” and should just be swept under the rug because the previous administration also carried out a similar program is irresponsible.
Agreed--- and not my assertion by any means. Obama shouldn't have stepped in and pulled executive authority here. It clearly shows he's involved or SURE is now if he wasn't. Just because we had no tragedy out of -Wide Receiver -changes nothing about it's ridiculousness, danger and failure. It's as such worthy of pointing out that since it's the executive order we are calling obama out on, is paramount to the case as of late, then we have to call out his predecessor on that issue or we look like hypocrites. Holder is poised to hang and we'll have to see what obama does by then. If he does any more than this, he'll likely lose what if any credibility he has left. I'm decidedly against the programs and the move by obama/others by Bush. The use of so called executive orders to stop potential criminal and ethical proceedings by any president is a clear attempt to hide things they don't want disclosed. Neither should have been thought of or implemented.
