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Let 'em build a mosque. Show our tolerance.

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The post above is closer to my view but I still disagree on the all Islam is a threat part.

Yes their are extremists. My point is and always has been that extremists can use any of the holy books of the past to justify just about anything.

Their are many different "factions" of Muslims just as their are Christians.

The radical factions you are referring too are largely the result of the Wahabi's who took over Saudi Arabia with the blessing of the US.

We also supported the Taliban.

By arming these radicals and supporting them we have created a Frankenstein monster that is out of control.

There are other Muslim Imams who stand up for Peace and routinely dissassociate  Islam from Terrorism. I suppose most believe this is just an evil ploy.

Actually, in many ways the Koran is more tolerant than the Bible.

With the Bible you believe or go to hell.

In Islam the "People of the Book" are to be respected and all of the verses, save a few directed to the Jews who were in Medina at the time, are directed to unbelievers.

These unbelievers were considered to be the pagans who worshipped many gods.

However, like the post above already said this is ancient history.

You cant just disarm all people of a given religion and claim to support the US Constitution.

The State has nothing to do with religion.

If someone is an extremist take them away. After all we have convieniently dispatched even the constitutional rights of citizens now so their is no problem.

All we need is a "suspicion" and off you go.

So really there is no problem as I see it. It is 2012 e.v. now. We have had no terrorist attacks here since 911.

Maybee its time to move on? Just maybee.

Our government is doing a great job keeping us safe and they should be commended.

My concern is that by labeling and typecasting all Muslims we will give the fanatics all the PR they need to inflate even more hatred against us.

And in response to the other gentleman who has grown ever so quiet how am I intolerant in any way?

I dont care what religion anyone is. All my opinions aside, if you choose to believe in any religion that is totally your right and I support it.

However, when these beliefs begin to promote taking the rights of others away I will not stay silent as this is unAmerican and Fascist to the core.

Personally I find Islam just as backward as most other religions these days. As I said I have no horse in this race.

With that thought I will withdraw from this debate as we all have better things to do.

I really and sincerely mean the best for all my neighbors.

I just really have to laugh when a person who wishes to see a whole religion labelled dangerous with no regard for the individuals involved accuses me of intolerance.

I guess thats the best that he could do.

I suggest you buy a very good flashlight. Its best to check under the sheets after prayers as terrorists often hide under the bed and eat our children in the middle of the night.

Seriously, its time we all moved on.

 

Peace

 

 

You're just one more pious, self-important punk who thinks he has the answers, but struggles with the written word.  You move on.  I'll keep in mind the thousands who died in the towers and the pentagon, and the threat that still exists. 

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Kiem is trying to equate islam with christianity or judaism, relative to current day terrorism and violence.  It obviously just doesn't fly.

I want to know what all those "good" muslims are doing to defeat the radical muslim terrorists?  I don't see much.  I do see alot of these "good" muslims around the world rejoicing, burning effigies and flags, etc. whenever some heinous murderous act is committed.

As long as there is no action against the terroists equivelant to the terrorism itself, I will continue to believe that islam is a dangerous religion and culture.

You, Kiem, have not yet addressed the points I made in my post.

I've had two boys and other relatives deployed fighting these boneheads, while trying to help the stupid and oppressed in the middle east.  Don't tell me it's just a few bad guys.

Way back in the 60's and 70's I was told by a local family that was working in the middle east that their middle eastern "friends" told them they could no longer associate with them because of their religion.  That something bad would happen if they (the two families) continued to associate with each other.  This was not an isolated incident over there according to those people.

That was at least 40 years ago.  I don't see anything changing that much.  Of course muslims have come to this country, some to get away from the oppression and stupidity, and some to try various things to spread the oppression and stupidity.  The "good" ones are going against their religion.  Islam does not support tolerance.

What the hell has Islam done for the good of society and the rest of the world lately?

Address my points, or go away.

 

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By the way:

 

"So really there is no problem as I see it. It is 2012 e.v. now. We have had no terrorist attacks here since 911."

 

Not exactly:

 

9/11 was neither the first nor the last time that Muslims have killed Americans
on U.S. soil in terror attacks.  In fact, since that day, Muslims have killed at
least 54 people in 32 separate acts of terrorism in the United States (by the
standards that Muslim-American groups set for hate crimes).  Perhaps more
importantly, there have been plenty of mass murder plots against Americans by
Islamic terrorists that were thwarted by the FBI, law enforcement and overseas
intelligence operations both before and after 9/11, as well as several that were
simply botched, such as the attempt to blow up Times Square.

 

for the entire list, including all those since 9/11, go here:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AmericanAttacks.htm

Partial list since the messiah has been in office:

April 04, 2009: TALIBAN Chief Claims Responsibility for N.Y. Shooting Massacre. A Pakistani Taliban militant leader has claimed responsibility for the attack on a U.S. immigration center in New York State in which 13 people were killed, Reuters reported. "I accept responsibility. They were my men. I gave them orders in reaction to U.S. drone attacks," Baituallah Mehsud told Reuters by telephone from an undisclosed location on Saturday.



 

  1. June 01, 2009,  Gunman Kills Soldier Outside Recruiting Station LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — A 23-year-old man upset about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan opened fire from his truck at two soldiers standing outside a military recruiting station here on Monday morning, killing one private and wounding another, the police said.  Skip to next paragraphThe gunman, identified by the police as Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad of Little Rock, fled the scene and was arrested minutes later a short distance from the recruiting station, in a bustling suburban shopping center.

 

 

  1. Sept., 2009, Jordanian Hosam Smadi acknowledged leaving what he thought was a truck bomb in a garage beneath the Fountain Place building in Dallas. Smadi said he parked the truck, activated a timer connected to the decoy provided by undercover FBI agents, then rode away to watch the explosion.

 

  1. Nov 05, 2009, Ft Hood, Texas shootings by Muslim terrorist.

  2. Dec 25, 2009, Amsterdam to Detroit flight attempted bombing by al-Qaeda terrorist over the US.

 

  1. Feb 18, 2010, Single engine plane into IRS Bldg in protest against the US Gov't., Austin, TX.

 

  1. May 02, 2010, NYC car bomb attempt by Muslim terrorist that only smoked and fizzled.

 

  1. Oct., 2010, Pakistani-born terrorist Farooque Ahmed Arrested For Plotting DC Terrorist Attack. Arrested for casing Washington D.C.-area subway stations in what he thought was an al-Qaida plot to bomb and kill commuters.

 

  1. Nov 27, 2010, Somali-born terrorist Mohamed Osman Mohamud, 19, was arrested at 5:40 p.m. Friday just after he dialed a cell phone that he thought would set off the blast but instead brought federal agents and police swooping down on him. Yelling "Allahu Akbar!" — Arabic for "God is great!" — Mohamud tried to kick agents and police after he was taken into custody, according to prosecutors.
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