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Let 'em build a mosque. Show our tolerance.

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My apologies. My keys are sticking on this laptop and their were several bad errors in my above post.

This is all the more reason why everyone should just calm down and agree to disagree. We are neighbors and regardless of belief that is what is important.

No one is going to change anyone elses mind here and we all have our opinions.

I send all of you the very best.

I only intended to encourage open discussion and not to be offensive.

At times I may have crossed the line.

All the best to everyone in the upcoming year.

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I have read the Bible through its entirety several times. Unlike some others I do not claim to be an expert or "know" what it teaches anymore than the next guy who has read the book.

I am actually in awe and impressed that this man has such a direct pipeline to God.

If only we could all attain his level of impassioned conviction.

As far as monotheism and pantheism mixing it is all through the Bible.

Lets take a look at Genesis.

And the Gods created man. Yes the word is Elohim in Hebrew. Elohim is a masculine pural of a feminine noun. Essentially if we were to literally translate the passage it would be gods. This is not contended in scholastic circles.

Just because I have different vires than you and do not want to singlehandely lable people based on their beliefs you take poorly executed cheap shots at my intelligence and ability to understand the Bible.

It seems to me like someone is getting a little upset that I am not one of your "sheep" aimlessly following every word you say.

We have had the likes of people like you with Jim Jones, Rev. Kim, the Pope etc etc who all claim to have THE TRUTH about God.

Im sorry its not that simple. You cant define God. His/Her Power is so beyond anything our rational minds can conceive all we can do is "live on the square" and learn to use our "moral compass" as to what is right and wrong.

I think it is deplorable what happened to that man dressed as Saint Nick. How does this make ALL Muslims evil or terrorist?

The Unibomber was Christian. I am not idiotic enough to assume all Christians are the same.

You challenge us to produce an example of a violent act perpetrated by Christians in the last 100 or so years.

Ireland is one classic example where Christians killed each other over Catholic and Protestant rivalries.

All I am saying and will ever say is to give peace a chance.

If this makes me a bad person then so be it but I was raised to give everyone a fair chance until the individual concerned showed me otherwise.

I fully support the US Governments attempts to round up Terrerists worldwide.

It must be stopped.

I really just dont understand how any intelligent man or woman can state unequivicolly that ALL Muslims are any one way let alone ALL Christians are any one way.

This is like saying ALL Jews are greedy etc etc.

Facts are facts. Violence is condoned ALL through the Old Testament. Please dont make me list the passages and make an ass of you publically for you know as well as I do that they are there.

Why wouls any just God allow first born BABIES to be sacrificed based on the actions of one man?

How is it acceptable to completely slaughter every man, woman, child and beast that stands in your way to the Holy Land which was "given" to the Israelites by God?

What about the story where a man offers and allows his dauhter to be raped rather than offend his angelic guests. I would have to reread and find this exact spot but its in the early parts of Old Testament.

God repeatedly threatens the Jews with terrible things if they turn to other gods.

How could a God be jealous?

The bottom line is none of this takes away from the beauty or the message of the Bible.

It was written at a time where life was very different and even amdist all this we have the New Testament which preached peace.

Of course, Jesus openly admits he has come not to bring peace but the sword.

He also was violently opposed to the Roman regime and his actions were very much like the Occupy Movement when he overturned the money tables.

Still, all in all the message is a positive one and intelligent people can look past all of the cultural colorings of the times the Bible was written in.

It may surprise many that the Koran teaches Jesus was a prophet.

The Koran has the sroty of the nstivity etc etc.

All these books have violent passages.

People dont choose the religion they are born in too.

If Christians want to convert then they best know what they are facing and demonstrate the good natured disposition of Americans rather than reinforcing the LIES of the BEARDED FOOLS who tell their people we are Devils.

The best way to reverse this is to demonstrate love and kindness.

I am no Bible expert but I do Giving examples of terrible acts on either side in no way condems ALL people of a given religion.

This is just false logic.

I send all the best wishes to everyone. Even those who have disagreed with me.

If I was offensive please accept my apologies.

I just hate to see intolerance. It is a  very unAmerican virtue.

 

 

 


Yet you are so intolerant of other viewpoints that you dismiss them based on yours. 

 

Very unAmerican indeed. 

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Kiem:  Instead of discussing ancient history, please address my points about the current situation. 

I'm not promoting christianity, judaism, Hinduism, etc.

I am pointing out that muslims are the only current religion that justifies their killings and terrorism against opposing religions and cultures with "holy" scripture.

Culturally, they have never "grown up".  Therefore they are fatally dangerous.

Unless you address the current situation, your "feelings" are irrelevant.

 

Your point that not all muslims are terrorists is understood.  That does not help the rest of us "targets".

Words do not erase actions.

 

I will say it again:  If we could find a way to disarm all muslims, there would be peace in the middle east.  If we found a way to disarm Israel, there would be slaughter.  That is the overwhelming fact that trumps all others.

 

 

The post above is closer to my view but I still disagree on the all Islam is a threat part.

Yes their are extremists. My point is and always has been that extremists can use any of the holy books of the past to justify just about anything.

Their are many different "factions" of Muslims just as their are Christians.

The radical factions you are referring too are largely the result of the Wahabi's who took over Saudi Arabia with the blessing of the US.

We also supported the Taliban.

By arming these radicals and supporting them we have created a Frankenstein monster that is out of control.

There are other Muslim Imams who stand up for Peace and routinely dissassociate  Islam from Terrorism. I suppose most believe this is just an evil ploy.

Actually, in many ways the Koran is more tolerant than the Bible.

With the Bible you believe or go to hell.

In Islam the "People of the Book" are to be respected and all of the verses, save a few directed to the Jews who were in Medina at the time, are directed to unbelievers.

These unbelievers were considered to be the pagans who worshipped many gods.

However, like the post above already said this is ancient history.

You cant just disarm all people of a given religion and claim to support the US Constitution.

The State has nothing to do with religion.

If someone is an extremist take them away. After all we have convieniently dispatched even the constitutional rights of citizens now so their is no problem.

All we need is a "suspicion" and off you go.

So really there is no problem as I see it. It is 2012 e.v. now. We have had no terrorist attacks here since 911.

Maybee its time to move on? Just maybee.

Our government is doing a great job keeping us safe and they should be commended.

My concern is that by labeling and typecasting all Muslims we will give the fanatics all the PR they need to inflate even more hatred against us.

And in response to the other gentleman who has grown ever so quiet how am I intolerant in any way?

I dont care what religion anyone is. All my opinions aside, if you choose to believe in any religion that is totally your right and I support it.

However, when these beliefs begin to promote taking the rights of others away I will not stay silent as this is unAmerican and Fascist to the core.

Personally I find Islam just as backward as most other religions these days. As I said I have no horse in this race.

With that thought I will withdraw from this debate as we all have better things to do.

I really and sincerely mean the best for all my neighbors.

I just really have to laugh when a person who wishes to see a whole religion labelled dangerous with no regard for the individuals involved accuses me of intolerance.

I guess thats the best that he could do.

I suggest you buy a very good flashlight. Its best to check under the sheets after prayers as terrorists often hide under the bed and eat our children in the middle of the night.

Seriously, its time we all moved on.

 

Peace

 

 

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