:Now has the opportunity that there is some hope for her, by simply answering "Thank you for the explanation. Now I understand"."
Fox you were chuckling when you posted that, right?
Indeed, sir. There was chuckling involved.
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:Now has the opportunity that there is some hope for her, by simply answering "Thank you for the explanation. Now I understand"."
Fox you were chuckling when you posted that, right?
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"If you say everything before "the right of the people..." has no meaning, tell me why did the framers put it in?"
Since I did not say what you interpreted I should allow this to slide. But since I am the reasonable one I will give what my opinion is. The country did not have a well established military and they wanted the people to have the right to have arms so if needed for the militia they can be there and armed at a moments notice.
You know, I made that same argument once a long time ago and the guys jumped all over it claiming I must be nuts.
"Incidentally, elsewhere "people" has not been limited to citizens, but included all the people. Why have you limited it? Should that be the case here?"
Tit for tat Mal. I interpret the constitution to apply to citizens of this country. I guess my belief is framed around the first words. "We the people of the United States"
Noncitizens have the right to free speech, being free from unreasonable searches, freedom of religion and all those things in the constitution other than those specifically given to citizens. Like the right to vote. That's not my interpretation, it's law. |
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I think we should appreciate anyone's efforts to show trends in the voter's mindsets. but these polls with a tiny number of responses is just too unreliable. My dislike for any pole but for my flag has been noted. But give me a poll that looks at 100,000 and then we can talk about a real trend. For my family and many friends, if the super court leaves our constitutional rights as written, and runs down anyone who violates them no matter how high on the ladder, then, they have my complete approval. It's funny you bring this up too. We were having a little fireside chat when we went to n, carolina about the use of side measures to circumvent the 2nd amendment. Yous know, making it a crime not to have your guns locked up, or having to use some smart device to operate one. Or to serial code each bullet. Measures that by all accounts would make it too expensive to own and use a gun by the average person. One would think that the second amendment would make anyone a criminal that tries to do that to gun manufacturers and owners. Infringements is what they would be and anyone who puts up any legislation to that order should be removed from office or the seat they hold. That's the super court I want.
Mallory. It wasn't possible for me to get to the computer these past couple days. I didn't intend for this to get to some heated point, and didn't really think I was ranting. But it's true. I do indeed feel the framers of our future as the greatest nation on earth, had every intention that we, the people of these United States, freely and openly possess and bare our arms. Granted I'm no iron packin granny, but just about every man and some of the gals in our family are. I think that the militia issue has been misconstrued time and time again. Of course we had one, we needed and do need one. However the rights of the people are also clear. It would be the same for any other right given to us by the constitution. Limited by the states themselves as they are, the rights to posses and bare shall not be infringed. On the farm, we had to drive off or kill, coyotes, skunks, coons, opossum and the occasional interloper, though no interlopers were killed to be clear. I would also think that had it not been for the tyranny factors and oppressions etc. that drove the colonists to the point of dissension unto the death, well the militia factor might have been where it ended. I think that the framers were not just talking about other nations etc, but also about attack from within. That gives it a more personal and one on one feel that tends to make sense beyond the militia element. We use to have that ya know. They called it the National Guard until the unification of forces issue. I'm no gun nut but sure do feel that the courts were correct in standing behind the words that call for no infringement of said right. I also think that had they felt it might get outta hand, well, they would have worded it differently, calling for limits and prohibitions. But. They didn't, and in my heart it means what it says. Also in the midst of our family chat that evening, it was mentioned that the swiss have the lowest crime rate on earth per capita, and most know, it is due to the fact that nearly everyone is armed. Take it for what it's worth, but to me, it's an important factor. The criminals know they stand little chance in a case like that. So if deterrance matters, well there ya have it. |
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Whenever I see a rant about gun control, I have to ask what does the part of the second amendment that says "A well regulated militia" mean? How about a system like this, citizens that are armed and at the ready like volunteer fire departments but with no funding from the federal government or the state, only from the county and by donations. They can only be called up by the local sheriff to defend their county and must meet one weekend a month for training and education! the constitution and the republic was set up to keep the power as close to the people as possible. the sole reason for the 2nd amendment is for defense against a tyrannical government or foreign invaders, to protect your right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
noun
1.
a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.
2.
a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.
3.
all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.
4.
a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government.
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